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Thanks for your quick response. My main idea is to work within the basic framework that you guys have already set up- past, present and future. We should look at the history of the rise of corporations, cost accounting, and such and see how that has impacted business decisions in the past.  Then we would move into the present- which would include outsourcing (reasons for it, its effect on the economy) and H1B visas (and their impact on the domestic economy). The issue here is, America is sending jobs overseas and it is filling jobs in America with places for visas. This would bring us to the future: our policy suggestion. Here is the fork in the road: we can either say that the best thing for our future would be to continue outsourcing and cut H1B visas or find ways to stop outsourcing and continue H1B visas for the jobs we have here.
 
Thanks for your quick response. My main idea is to work within the basic framework that you guys have already set up- past, present and future. We should look at the history of the rise of corporations, cost accounting, and such and see how that has impacted business decisions in the past.  Then we would move into the present- which would include outsourcing (reasons for it, its effect on the economy) and H1B visas (and their impact on the domestic economy). The issue here is, America is sending jobs overseas and it is filling jobs in America with places for visas. This would bring us to the future: our policy suggestion. Here is the fork in the road: we can either say that the best thing for our future would be to continue outsourcing and cut H1B visas or find ways to stop outsourcing and continue H1B visas for the jobs we have here.
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I would be interested in participating in this group if there is still space.
 
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I was requested to send you the proposal for my part of the paper. Since I would like to focus on the "past" part of our project, I wrote my paragraph. It can be changed as you see fit and I hope it will fit into our general framework. If there are any questions, comments or suggestions, please feel free to mention them. The paragraph I wrote would seem like a good opener for the proposal.
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Policy makers often fall victim to the age old error that they are in a unique situation, fighting forces that have never been wrestled. This is rarely the case, especially for the new economy and its centerpiece known as “outsourcing.” This “new” business practice is the result of a technological and communications revolution that was much like that of late 19th Century in the United States. In the past, it resulted in the development of the multi-national corporation. The first part of our paper will look at outsourcing in its historical perspective, comparing it to business developments in the past- helping to understand where outsourcing came from. Much of the history will be derived from the work of business historians, such as the leader Alfred Chandler of Harvard Business School.

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David Dorwin

I'm very interested in researching outsourcing. It sounds like you are off to a solid start, and I'd like to join your group. I'm a CS Masters student at UW; you can email me at ddorwin_at_u.washington.edu.


User:S.Schimler:

Thanks for your quick response. My main idea is to work within the basic framework that you guys have already set up- past, present and future. We should look at the history of the rise of corporations, cost accounting, and such and see how that has impacted business decisions in the past. Then we would move into the present- which would include outsourcing (reasons for it, its effect on the economy) and H1B visas (and their impact on the domestic economy). The issue here is, America is sending jobs overseas and it is filling jobs in America with places for visas. This would bring us to the future: our policy suggestion. Here is the fork in the road: we can either say that the best thing for our future would be to continue outsourcing and cut H1B visas or find ways to stop outsourcing and continue H1B visas for the jobs we have here.

We can not take this H1B visa route at all, also. The way I see it though, this gives us a chance to frame a debate and then give our suggestions. In this sense, we are tying together history, the present state of affairs, and then the future- and how we can shape it with our suggestions. Then we would have a perfect three part paper.

How does this sound? Here is the link I posted earlier which is critical of the H1B visa program. http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.html

Looking over what you guys initially wrote on the site, I think we can add to what I said yesterday. I see that you guys wanted to compare India to the U.S. and address the brain dress issue. Once we take a side on H1B visas, we can see how cutting them off, or letting them continue would impact India. For example, if we say cut H1B visas, then we can see if this will benefit India- since it would keep highly intelligent people there. And the opposite would be, if we are for H1B visas, does the brain drain end up hurting India. I didn't include this yesterday because I wanted to make sure that we didn't over-extend ourselves. But this would keep closer to the original idea you set out.

User:kirkal

yes, we would like to examine this problem from an Indian point of view...if only because Indian problems and conditions represent, to a large extent, the problems and issues involved in outsourcing - from both perspectives, outsourcer and outsourcee,as it were.

now to argue both sides of the issue you brought up:

H1b visas ARE causing significant number of India's skilled workforce to migrate to the EU/USA. however, since most of them remit money back home, the country ,as a whole , is better off - brain drain ,definitely, but in the long run, maybe not so crucial for the country's progress.

h1b visas being cut, though result in the following:

  • possible shifting of jobs from us to india as engineers can no longer

be brought across as easily.

  • reduction in foreign exchange remittances to india.
  • more jobs in india...solving unemploment , however temporarily and

inadequately.

  • from an american viewpoint, lesser indian/chinese engineers coming

over to take over american jobs...but since these will anyway be shifted out, i don't know if it makes much difference.

  • from an american viewpoint, again, policy might be formulated to

prevent jobs shifting overses...companies might respond,as they have already done, by relocating entire development centers overseas.

  • indian software policy is pretty liberal...in that the govt. has

declared tax holidays for all sw firms till 2010, income tax breaks for individuals who set up new companies and suchlike. they even encourage outsourcing from the outsourcee's point of view in that i think there are extra tax incentives or suchlike if involved in outsourcing which generates jobs in india.

and thoughts along those lines.....anyway, we can examine all these in greater detail in the final report. for now, i 'd suggest we all get together to write a really good draft/1-page report which we need to submit by nov 1st, i think.

Diwaker: Some interesting articles related to outsourcing

Brad Struss: There was a study just completed by Seattle University regarding the impact outsourcing has had on companies here in Washington State. The study of ten companies showed that only one company performed laid workers off as a result of hiring outsourced workers. Here's an article in the Seattle Times with more details: http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=outsource21&date=20041021&query=outsourcing (requires users registration)

The complete report is here: http://www.rateconline.org/docs/RATEC%20-SEASIM%20Global%20IT%20Soucing%20Study%20FINAL%20DOC.pdf

I would be interested in participating in this group if there is still space.

User: S.Schimler:

I was requested to send you the proposal for my part of the paper. Since I would like to focus on the "past" part of our project, I wrote my paragraph. It can be changed as you see fit and I hope it will fit into our general framework. If there are any questions, comments or suggestions, please feel free to mention them. The paragraph I wrote would seem like a good opener for the proposal.

Policy makers often fall victim to the age old error that they are in a unique situation, fighting forces that have never been wrestled. This is rarely the case, especially for the new economy and its centerpiece known as “outsourcing.” This “new” business practice is the result of a technological and communications revolution that was much like that of late 19th Century in the United States. In the past, it resulted in the development of the multi-national corporation. The first part of our paper will look at outsourcing in its historical perspective, comparing it to business developments in the past- helping to understand where outsourcing came from. Much of the history will be derived from the work of business historians, such as the leader Alfred Chandler of Harvard Business School.

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