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I moved this thread to the [http://cubist.cs.washington.edu/CSEP590TU-wiki/index.php/Talk:Outsourcing_and_its_impact_on_innovation%3F "Outsourcing and its impact on innovation?" project idea discussion page] so that we can concentrate the discussion on the impact of outsourcing in one place.
 
I moved this thread to the [http://cubist.cs.washington.edu/CSEP590TU-wiki/index.php/Talk:Outsourcing_and_its_impact_on_innovation%3F "Outsourcing and its impact on innovation?" project idea discussion page] so that we can concentrate the discussion on the impact of outsourcing in one place.
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== Fair use: parody vs. satire ==
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(This is about a reading for lecture 4, but there isn't a section for that yet ...)
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The "fair use" section in Ch. 7 of ''Chasing Moore's Law'' mentions satire as an example of such. Did they mean parody? I first learned there was a distinction a couple weeks back when JibJab's ''This Land'' (''Sue You: This Song Is Our Song'' [http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,64376,00.html]) was released. From what I understand, a parody uses the source material to comment on the source material. A satire uses the source material to comment on something else.
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I am a little confused on what is fair use, though. I think parody is always fair use. From what I heard around JibJab's case, satire is never fair use. Searching on FindLaw.com [http://www.findlaw.com], I got the impression that there was no meaningful distinction. Wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page] suggests that satire can be fair use [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use], depending on circumstances, but has a tougher burden of proof because "the satirist's ideas are capable of expression without the use of the other particular work" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Fair_use_and_parody].
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So when, if ever, is satire fair use?

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Talk on Electronic Voting for MS Employees

There is going to be a talk given on electronic voting by a Microsoft researcher for Microsoft employees on October 18th. You can register for the talk through MSTE. [jameswelle]

IT Worker Demand and Outsourcing

I moved this thread to the "Outsourcing and its impact on innovation?" project idea discussion page so that we can concentrate the discussion on the impact of outsourcing in one place.

Fair use: parody vs. satire

(This is about a reading for lecture 4, but there isn't a section for that yet ...)

The "fair use" section in Ch. 7 of Chasing Moore's Law mentions satire as an example of such. Did they mean parody? I first learned there was a distinction a couple weeks back when JibJab's This Land (Sue You: This Song Is Our Song [1]) was released. From what I understand, a parody uses the source material to comment on the source material. A satire uses the source material to comment on something else.

I am a little confused on what is fair use, though. I think parody is always fair use. From what I heard around JibJab's case, satire is never fair use. Searching on FindLaw.com [2], I got the impression that there was no meaningful distinction. Wikipedia [3] suggests that satire can be fair use [4], depending on circumstances, but has a tougher burden of proof because "the satirist's ideas are capable of expression without the use of the other particular work" [5].

So when, if ever, is satire fair use?